Christians For War

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There is a network of them. Ain't the internet grand.

Have a look at this blog.

A whole bunch of fightin' Christian  clergymen so bravely speaking truth to power by urging what they have no excuse for not knowing by now is a war of extermination against the Jews as free people in the Middle East most of whom are or are the descendants of Jews who were expelled or fled from Muslim lands after being robbed of everything except what they could carry and where they had lived for up to two thousand years before there were Muslims.

What about that Nakba fellas?

Is there a single mention of it on your blog?

Not to mention the only place where men women children Christians Muslims Jews homosexuals blacks Arabs silly clergymen of all persuasions including even the silliest Christian and Jewish ones and above all women (did I mention the women?)

What's that about fellas? You must know by now how women are treated across the Muslim world including in "Palestine". You have no right to be ignorant of this if you are taking a public position on whether the world would be a better place if Israel did not exist and all its citizens had once again been robbed of their land property and lives as free people because of a nasty superstitious aberration of the religious mind.  What is this? A game of "don't mention the women"?

Isn't that a little  you know  .. unmanly?

Haven't we seen all this before?

Christians are too important to leave the argument to the likes of you. So are Jews Muslims and women.


All the lying propaganda you can imagine is retailed on the blog of these Christian gentlemen who have deluded themselves that the surviving Jews are the power and that these lies are the truth.
 . The usual stuff

There is even the "Four Maps" libel courtesy of Father Dave.

The following map shows you the division of land between Israel and Palestine from 1948 to 2005. Much of the Palestinians’ land is divided by Israeli military checkpoints. Click on the map for a larger image.





A lie of course that anyone with any knowledge of the twentieth century and the region could see in a second and classically debunked here.

This map is a lie.

The first panel of the traditional version of this map has the biggest lie:

While I presume that the white sections are indeed the land that was privately owned by Jews, the land in green was not privately owned by Arabs.

Only a tiny percentage of land in Palestine was privately owned. The various categories of land ownership included:

• Mulk: privately owned in the Western sense.

• Miri: Land owned by the government (originally the Ottoman crown) and suitable for agricultural use. Individuals could purchase a deed to cultivate this land and pay a tithe to the government. Ownership could be transferred only with the approval of the state. Miri rights could be transferred to heirs, and the land could be sub-let to tenants. If the owner died without an heir or the land was not cultivated for three years, the land would revert to the state.

• Mahlul: Uncultivated Miri lands that would revert to the state, in theory after three years.

• Mawat (or Mewat): So-called “dead”, unreclaimed land. It constituted about 50 to 60% of the land in Palestine. It belonged to the government. ...If the land had been cultivated with permission, it would be registered, at least under the Mandate, free of charge.

By the early 1940s Jews owned about one third of Mulk land in Palestine and Arabs about two-thirds. The vast majority of the total land, however, belonged to the government, meaning that when the state of Israel was established, it became legally Israel's. (I believe that about 77% of the land was owned by the government, assuming 6 million dunams of private land as shown in this invaluable webpage on the topic from which I got much of this information.)

To say that the green areas were "Palestinian" land is simply a lie.

In the case of this version of the map, the lie is even worse, as the implication is that pre-1948 Palestine was an entirely Arab country with no Jews and no Jewish land ownership. Of course, before 1948 the word "Palestinian" more often than not referred to Palestinian Jews, not Palestinian Arabs. For example, the Palestine exhibit at the 1939 World's Fair was entirely Jewish, the Palestine Orchestra was entirely Jewish, the Palestine soccer team was almost entirely Jewish, and so forth.

Now the next one:

While this is a somewhat accurate representation of the partition plan (with the notable exception of Jerusalem, which was meant to be an international city,), it has nothing to do with land ownership. The entire purpose of this map is to make it appear that Israel has been grabbing Arab land consistently, to serve as a bridge between maps 1 and 3. What is not said, of course, is that Israel accepted the partition and the Arabs did not, so as a result Israel in 1949 looked like it does in map 3.

Map 3 is still a lie, however, because in no way was the green land "Palestinian" at that time. Gaza was administered by Egypt and the West Bank annexed by Jordan. No one at the time spoke about a Palestinian Arab state on the areas controlled by Arab states - only in Israel.

In other words, this progression of maps is a series of lies meant to push a bigger lie, and it is tragic that a lot of people believe them to be the truth.

Here is a small attempt on my side to show a more accurate picture of Israel's giving land it controlled up for peace since 1967:

This map shows that Israel gave up control of the Sinai, Gaza, Southern Lebanon and much of the West Bank over the years. Rather than falsely accusing Israel as a land-grabbing rogue state, it accurately shows Israel as perhaps the only state in history that has voluntarily given up more than two-thirds of the areas it controls in exchange for nothing more than a paper agreement - or sometimes not even that. All at the risk of serious security concerns for her people, no less.

This is all because Israel wants, desperately, to live in real peace with her neighbors. This desire is not reciprocated by those neighbors, unfortunately.

The real map shows the truth of Israel's incredible concessions in the often vain hope for peace.


"Palestine" is a lie. Even the "Palestinians" say this by now. Listen to these people. Oslo was a fraud all along. They don't want a "Palestinian" state. They never did. They want Israel destroyed and they say so.

We are in a post--Oslo world and the way forward is not clear. But it seems the two state solution is off the agenda forever. The Arab Muslims have said no. No means no. They have convinced themselves it is not necessary even to discuss among themselves. They believe that Israel and the Jews are hated in the West as much as they are in Muslim lands.

 When you see blogs like Israel and Palestine   populated by active clergy who have the time to focus on Israel and the Jews in open support of those who demand that Israel be destroyed with what can only be described as religious zeal you do have to wonder.







Hat tip Daphne Anson's excellent blog..


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